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MessageSujet: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptyJeu 27 Oct - 13:58

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Bonjour Famille.

Etant actuellement en attente ( 2 a 3 semaines ) de recevoir un certain nombre de petits complément (peinture et calques) pour mon F-14D et mon U-Boat Type VII C/41 je vais ouvrir un nouveau post sur une maquette que je viens de recevoir et qui me plait beaucoup par le fait qu´elle dispose des intérieurs au complet .J´aime particulièrement détailler mes réalisations et lorsque l´on peut utiliser un matériel conçu pour ce particulier il est agréable de ne pas trop penser au scratch habituel et nous rendre ainsi la vie beaucoup plus facile à ceux qui comme moi ne contrôlent pas encore suffisamment ce travail.
A cet stade je crois qu´il n’est pas nécessaire de vous faire la présentation de ce char mythique qui malheureusement  est arrivé un peu tard pendant le conflit pour modifier le sens de la guerre surtout que par des problèmes de temps il fut doté d´un moteurs trop juste pour un tel poids.
Bien que possédant des intérieurs assez détaillés je vais essayer néanmoins de compléter l´ensemble pour le rendre plus attrayant.
Je sais que parmi vous il y a de véritables spécialistes de  ce tipe de char et je compte beaucoup sur voux tous pour m´orienter et ne pas commettre trop de bêtises.
Ce donc avec beaucoup d´illusion que je vous invite à cette nouvelle réalisation que j´espère vous soit plaisante à suivre. Laughing

N.B. J´ai profité de l´offre promotionnelle en l´achetant avant sa sortie pour acquérir également les peintures nécessaires pour faire aussi bien les intérieurs que les extérieurs.
Votre ami.

Georges palmier

Voici le contenu de la boite et quelques photos des renders 3D de la maquette ainsi que d´autres nostalgiques.

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En cette fin d´année bien trop de boulot pour pouvoir faire grand-chose mais j´ai réussi à monter les chenilles maillon par maillon et découper le dessus de la caisse du char pour pouvoir montrer tout son intérieur y compris le moteur.

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MessageSujet: Re: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptyDim 27 Nov - 18:57

Excellente idée de découper la caisse! thumright thumleft applaudit
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fallait surtout avoir le courage applaudit

hâte de voir la suite thumright
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@Panther2010 a écrit:
Excellente idée de découper la caisse! thumright thumleft applaudit

@bat a écrit:
fallait surtout avoir le courage applaudit

hâte de voir la suite thumright


merci   Panther2010           merci      bat

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superbe, taf thumleft thumleft
mais j'ai une p'tite question, tu n'as pas eu de problèmes avec les bras de suspension du train de roulement, car apparemment sur Tracklink le montage du kit Takom montrerai un gros 'blème avec l'alignement des roues et surtout avec l'angle des dits bras de suspension
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MessageSujet: Re: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptyMar 29 Nov - 23:46

@osterkamp a écrit:
superbe, taf thumleft  thumleft  
mais j'ai une p'tite question, tu n'as pas eu de problèmes avec les bras de suspension du train de roulement, car apparemment sur Tracklink le montage du kit Takom montrerai un gros 'blème avec l'alignement des roues et surtout avec l'angle des dits bras de suspension

Bonsoir camarade.

Les bras de suspension possèdent une petite protubérance qui vient se placer dans une petite encoche sur la caisse pour son parfait positionnement.

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MessageSujet: Re: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptyMer 30 Nov - 12:19

okay,si tout se place bien c'est super:thumright: thumright , je me demandes juste alors pourquoi sur le montage vu sur track link, cela parait si bordélique et si peu conforme au tien......pas de chance ou pas doué le garçon flic flic flic flic flic
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MessageSujet: Re: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptyMer 30 Nov - 12:42

@osterkamp a écrit:
okay,si tout se place  bien c'est super:thumright: thumright , je me demandes juste  alors pourquoi sur le montage vu sur track link, cela parait si bordélique et si peu conforme au tien......pas de chance ou pas doué le garçon flic flic flic flic flic
allez bon courage pour la suite

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MessageSujet: Re: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptyJeu 1 Déc - 18:45

Bonsoir.

Je continue avec cette magnifique maquette et cette fois ci c´est le tour de la partie intérieure de la tourelle.

Malgré les ouvertures que je vais pratiquer dans la tourelle certains éléments ne vont pas se voir et d´autres il faudra bien scruter pour les apercevoir. Pour cette raison une fois cette pièce dans la tourelle je finirais et vieillirais tout ceci en fonction de la visibilité

Georges palmier

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@Panther2010 a écrit:
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@bat a écrit:
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Hello Georges


BO TRAVAIL applaudit applaudit thumleft je vais donc continuer à suivre dans un relatif silence..... Mr. Green
Amicalement Eric

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@ottocarius a écrit:
Hello Georges


BO TRAVAIL applaudit applaudit thumleft  je vais donc continuer à suivre dans un relatif silence..... Mr. Green
Amicalement Eric

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Bonsoir.

Je viens de finir le fond de caisse du King à l´exception des calques des obus et des petits détails de finition et de vieillissement.

Voici le photos.

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MessageSujet: Re: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptyJeu 8 Déc - 19:02

Bonsoir Famille.

Je viens avec mes petits progrès en profitant de quelques jours de congé.
J´ai peint le dessus du panier et j´ai pratiqué l´ouverture que je voulais sur la tourelle du char pour que l´on puisse voir une grande partie de l´intérieur.
Je vous montre également une vue d´ensemble de ce que ce sera à la fin.

Désolé pour l´éclairage des photos mais il faisait nuit déjà ici dans le sud de l’Europe.

Georges  palmier


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MessageSujet: Re: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptyJeu 8 Déc - 19:30

Une tuerie ce kit, et le stock va sans doute encore augmenter! Embarassed Thumb down Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

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MessageSujet: Re: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptySam 10 Déc - 20:59

@Panther2010 a écrit:
Une tuerie ce kit, et le stock va sans doute encore augmenter! Embarassed Thumb down Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

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merci  Panther2010.

Sois sur que tu ne regretteras pas cet achat.

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MessageSujet: Re: King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35   tiger - King Tiger Sd.Kfz.182 Henschel Turret Takom 1/35 - Page 3 EmptySam 10 Déc - 21:17

Bonsoir Famille.

Comme beaucoup d´entre vous se seront rendu compte cette caisse de char est bien trop propre même pour un char de la dernière ornée car ces bestiaux se salissaient seulement en les regardant.
J´ai donc vieilli ce fond qui devait être dans la réalité quelque chose de bien sale.
J´ai également commencé à peindre les roues si cela s´appelle ainsi.

Georges palmier

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Il s'agit bien de roues de route, applaudit jcadeos!
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@Panther2010 a écrit:
Il s'agit bien de roues de route, applaudit jcadeos!

merci Panther2010 pour l´info.

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